Reciprocal apologies

I notice in this morning’s N&R that Greensboro’s Islamic community is seeking an apology from Willy Hammer and The Rhino Times for publishing those two controversial cartoons last Thursday. From what I know of the Hammer boys, it will be a cold day in hell when that happens. Unless…

Since it is reported that Mayor Holliday is attempting to “broker an apology” between the Islamists and the Hammers, I have a suggestion that just might sway The Rhino to do just that.

In exchange for an apology from the Rhino, our Mayor should suggest to our community’s Islamic leaders that it would be proper for them to issue a simultaneous and reciprocal condemnation of and an apology for, (edited: see comments) all of the killing and violence that occurs in the name of The Prophet. If this were to be agreed upon I suspect The Rhino would fall all over themselves to issue a sincere apology for ever having offended Islamic sensibilities.

Let there be peace on earth… let it begin in Greensboro.


Update 7:00p: The cartoons are posted on the front page of the Rhino’s week-late electronic edition.

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  1. Posted February 23, 2006 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    I thought that the Hammers were looking to renovate. So by publishing the cartoon, they could generate a riot, firebombing or such and let the insurance cover the cost.

    However, as for an apology, I agree with you. You can be expected to live in harmony unless forgiveness works in both directions. The only problem is that we did not riot or kill when we were violated. May be that is why some feel as if we are easy targets.

    I know that is why many come to America.

  2. Posted February 23, 2006 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Don wrote: “The only problem is that we did not riot or kill when we were violated.”

    Are you referring to 9/11?

  3. Posted February 23, 2006 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Amen. The cartoons are news. They expose how silly the extremist are.

  4. Mike K.
    Posted February 23, 2006 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    The thing that gets me is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity all trace their roots to Abraham, meaining that literally we’re all related. If we’re all God’s children, then how come we can’t get along? David your suggestion is excellent because the knee jerk reaction to these kind of things has been no one’s out there actively condemning the atrocities done in the name of (pick a religion or country). We all need to come clean and tell the extremists in our midst and elsewhere that God doesn’t favor their view of our religions and they need to leave all of us alone. Peace to all…

  5. dhoggard
    Posted February 23, 2006 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    I am out of town and unable to get a copy of today’s Rhino, but am encouraged with what Cone related about the contents of today’s release.

    It is good that a follower of Islam has condemned Islamic instigated violence on the Rhino’s front page, but is that enough?

    Why do local, national and international Islamic leaders (clerics, etc) shy away from damning all of the violence attributed to the defense of their religion?

    Is it ‘written’ that those of the Faith shall not question the violent actions of others who hold the Islamic Faith?

    To me, the failure to condemn such ‘in-the-name-of-all-that-is-Holy’ violence is akin to granting tacit endorsement to the killing and mayhem.

  6. Posted February 23, 2006 at 11:11 pm | Permalink


    I understand the spirit of your proposal, but it is grossly unfair. It would certainly be an appropriate conciliatory gesture for local Muslims to condemn the violence… but to apologize for it?? What have Greensboro’s Muslims done that they need to apologize for? The Hammers are being asked to apologize for something they, themselves did — publishing the cartoons which offended many. But you are asking innocent people to apologize for acts they did not commit, and in fact for “all of the killing and violence that occurs in the name of The Prophet.”

    Isn’t that like asking the Hammers to issue an apology for all offensive content published by all newspapers around the globe?

  7. dhoggard
    Posted February 24, 2006 at 5:29 am | Permalink


    Of course. You are right about the apology for the reasons you state.

    I have edited the post to reflect this.

  8. pamm
    Posted February 24, 2006 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    The Hammers do not need to apopolgize for publishing the cartoons.
    The cartoons are causing rioting and killing’s and I for one would like to see a cartoon that would have so much power. This is called
    good accurate freedom of the press reporting and as an American citizen we have the right and they have the obligation to report it.

    They did not create the cartoon just as the Muslim community in
    Greensboro has not rioted or killed anyone.

    I am offended everyday as a Christian to the things that comes
    through my television set , in magazines, on billboards, and taught
    in my childs school.

    I turn it off, refuse to look at it, or protest it.
    Let them protest because as Americans this is their right too.
    Just don’t promise them any results, just as I as a Christian rarely receive any. Yes once in a while we may shut down a porn shop just for another internet site to pop up on my child’s pc.

    Shame on the Mayor for even suggesting that any sort of apology is due and shame on every other news cast for not reporting the truth

    It is a cartoon and this is America…..get over it…we pracitice diversity and tolerance. It’s other name is freedom for all!!

    As a result, sometimes you will put sand in your crawl!!

  9. Posted February 24, 2006 at 11:21 am | Permalink


    I didn’t take a stance regarding whether or not the Hammers should apologize. Sorry — find someone else to tell to “get over it.”

    And while you’re at it, learn to read and write your native language.

  10. Cehwie
    Posted February 24, 2006 at 2:22 pm | Permalink


    It was not my intention to make a personal attack on you
    when I said to “get over it”, but by addressing the post to you
    it sounds like I did. I will refrain from that from now on.


    The Hammers owe no one an apology for reporting the news.

    Are the ones offended by the Rhino
    as concerned about the bounty that was put on “EVERY” American’s
    head by these extremists. The threat for someone to kill an
    American includes them too!!

    Where is the outrage about this?
    I certainly would like to know what the local Muslim community
    thinks about the violence and murder.

    I do not like the cartoon, it makes me afraid. It makes me
    fear Muslims. So local Muslim community, do you hate
    Americans as much as those that are committinig this violence?

    How are you different from what we see on TV everyday?

    I think the Rhino should interview the Muslim community
    and give them the opportunity to explain why they are
    so offended and how they feel about the violence, as well
    as the cartoon.

  11. Lee S.
    Posted February 27, 2006 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    My take on this is that we live in a free country where freedom of expression is protected in a very liberal sense, with a presumed separation of church and state. In many muslim or arab countries, there is no separation of church and state. The Koran is their “law”. For someone who is not a practitioner of thier religion, the rules and regulations of the Koran, or laws of thier country do not apply. They are asking me to recognize and obey thier religion and laws when I feel these do not apply to me because I am not a muslim. This is also an issue of respect for a religion. I believe free speech wins on this and not apologies.

  12. Brenda Bowers
    Posted March 6, 2006 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    To answer one of the questions up there: Yes, the Koran and Islam recognize all of the Jewish and Christian sanctified individuals as prophets. However they claim that Mohammed is the last and greatest prophet of God (sorry Allah! God forbid I offend any Muslim‘s out there.) and not to accept him as such is to be an infidel. According to the Koran infidels are to be put to death. That’s you and me in case you need more specific information. We are INFIDELS .

    David, I have just found your site. I have missed your level headed calming of the waters that flow often in blog land. And please use a larger font? Pretty please?