RMA report

I’ve just finished reading the RMA report.

If I were manager of the City of Greensboro, here’s how I would have handled former police chief David Wray.

I would’ve gone visit him to give him an opportunity to explain the differences between what he had told me previously and the things that Risk Management Associates had uncovered in their report.

Then, I would lock him out of his office.

There was much talk today during Converge South about when (not if) the report will show up on the web.  I’ll not publish it because I don’t what to get sued.  Others might.

What I can tell you is the report is complete, disturbing and damning and city manager Mitch Johnson did what had to be done.

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17 Comments

  1. Posted October 14, 2006 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    From the beginning of this story, I have placed my trust in Sandy Carmany.

    Sandy said she has known Wray for a long time, because her husband was on the police force with him. She also had full access to the report when none of us did. She revealed as much information as she could while protecting the security of the report. She assured us that she was sad to report Mitch Johnson acted appropriately.

    Sandy’s credibility remains very high with me.

  2. Posted October 14, 2006 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    only if you think rma is true….and u have no question about it because you dont know much…I am talking to people interviewed by rma…several misqoutes…i am talking to long time vice officers…they see it differently….I will stick w my sources. Y’all go the easy way out and follow mitch and linda.

  3. Posted October 15, 2006 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    “Mitch and Linda” didn’t write the report, they read it. Then they asked Wray to confirm or deny the reports veracity and secured the contents of his office while awaiting Wray’s answer on Monday.

    If the RMA investigation was viewed by Wray as being hatchet job, I would hope he would have said “no, this is a pack of lies. I’m not resigning because this is a witch hunt. You can fire me if you want, and I’ll see you in court to clear my good name.”

    Instead, he resigned on advice of council.

  4. Sandy Carmany
    Posted October 15, 2006 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    David,
    I’ve said all along when the public finally gets “the whole story” that a lot of the speculation and second-guessing will lessen. Your reaction to reading RMA confirms that belief for me. I would note that RMA should be considered merely “the starting line” and plenty of fleshing out, clarification, and additional evidence has come to light during the subsequent 9-10 months of additional investigations by the GPD and SBI.

    Patrick,
    I sincerely appreciate the trust you have placed in me on this issue. I try very hard to earn and maintain that credibility and trust.

  5. Sandy Carmany
    Posted October 15, 2006 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Oh, and David, I’ll play grammar police here for a moment. I hope you meant “counsel” (as in attorney) instead of “council” (as in elected leaders) in your response to Holder. {smile}

  6. Mr. Sun
    Posted October 15, 2006 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    During the upcoming year of fine-tuning the backwards-looking blame-placing for this event, is it possible that the City will also prioritize initiatives to deal with the systemic problem that is paralyzing our police department? It’s ironic to note that the very same City Council which is and will be picking its way through a thicket of deeply ingrained racial problems in its own police department saw no relevance to the TRC process that could and still can serve as a framework for addressing those issues. We dropped something. There’s no shame in going back to pick it up.

  7. Posted October 15, 2006 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Hogg,

    “Mitch and Lindaâ€? didn’t write the report”…the second part of the 77 page report u have was written by the legal dept. Duh. You keep sayin what Wray could have said…tell me what he did say. Do you know?

    Sandy,
    please explain why you reported that the surveillance of black leaders as a leak..and Mitch reported it as a decision by the city to report it to the community.

  8. Posted October 15, 2006 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I understand (from you, Ben) that there is a 26 page answer to the RMA report that David Wray submitted to Johnson and the City council during the time frame of his resignation.

    That document needs to come out because it hopefully reveals why he quit.

    Sandy, or anyone else, are you aware of this document and/or why it has not surfaced?

  9. Posted October 15, 2006 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Hogg,

    You keep sayin what Wray could have said…tell me what he did say. Do you know?

    http://thetroublemaker.blogspot.com/2006/02/21-page-salute-greensboro-news-and.html

  10. Posted October 15, 2006 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
  11. Sandy Carmany
    Posted October 15, 2006 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Ben,
    I posted this reply over at my place as well in response to your request for clarification. For the record, I didn’t say “leak” in this case, just that some of the persons who had been recorded became aware of it.

    “I do not consider the comments the statements the city manager and I made about the public revelation of the secret recordings of citizens to be conflicting at all. They are two pieces of the same explanation — Mitch phoned me and said that one of the persons involved in those tapings had had second thoughts about his/her recording activities and had revealed his/her actions to a couple of people. In order to be up front and maintain the public trust, he felt it was important to go ahead and inform all the others who had been unknowingly taped, and Chief Bellamy had done so. In his opinion, trying to cover this discovery up and have it come to light later would further damage public trust and relationships in the community. Mitch had heard that one or more of those who had been taped might be coming to speak out about it publicly at that night’s city council meeting, and he did not want city council members to be blindsided.”

  12. Posted October 16, 2006 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Mitch phoned me and said that one of the persons involved in those tapings had had second thoughts about his/her recording activities and had revealed his/her actions to a couple of people. In order to be up front and maintain the public trust, he felt it was important to go ahead and inform all the others who had been unknowingly taped, and Chief Bellamy had done so

    that is such bullshit. It was Brian James than ran to tell folks they had been taped. He had nothing to do with that investigation.

  13. Posted October 16, 2006 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    David,

    Sorry I missed your question about David Wray’s 20+ page response to the RMA report. Yes, David Wray sent copies his response to councilmembers around the time he held his press conference. In fact, that is the reason the city manager made the decision to give the RMA report to councilmembers in the first place because without the RMA report, we councilmembers had no context or clue what he was talking about/responding to. Mr. Wray’s response was included in the same packet in which I received the RMA report with the cover page reviewing the state law that pertains to that confidential personnel information. When I returned my copy of the RMA report, I also returned Mr. Wray’s responses to the city manager’s office.

    Pulling from my memory, a lot of the things in Wray’s response is the same stuff that is now being aired by Mr. Bledsoe in the Rhino articles. As anyone who has read both the RMA report and the Bledsoe articles, the two versions don’t match on many critical details.

  14. Posted October 16, 2006 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Ben,
    Is it possible Chief Bellamy assigned Brian James to carry out the assignment of informing those who were taped? There were so many, he may have needed assistance to get to all of them in a timely manner.

  15. Posted October 18, 2006 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Sandy,

    No.

  16. Brian James
    Posted November 2, 2006 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    This is Brian James. I would like to inform Ben Holder and anyone else who is interested, that I did not assist

  17. Brian James
    Posted November 2, 2006 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Ben, I did not inform any citizens that they had been secretly taped. Please verify your information.

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