This is just not the way it is done around here.

Although I agree that it is time for Greensboro’s mystery mega-project to emerge from the closet, I find it interesting that those who are usually doing the moving and shaking around here are being left on the sidelines with this one.

Today’s lead N&R editorial tells us that our anonymous suiter is even keeping Robbie Perkins and Jim Melvin out of the loop.  I suspect that such a feat is unprecedented.  However, someone knew enough about local going-on to introduce our deep-pocketed would-be friends to the head of the Bryan Foundation, who told the N&R, “I met with them but don’t know who they are.”

How can that be?  Jim knows everybody.  But the secretive developer’s handlers knew they had to at least show which rings will need kissing before all is said and done.

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  1. Posted August 16, 2007 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    It’s time of fish or cut bait.

    In other words, *&%^$@! or get off the pot.

  2. Posted August 16, 2007 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Secret investors, mega bucks, newspapers in the know but not telling, politicians not taking credit… sounds like a scam to me.

    I like knowing the names of prople I do business with and expect the same from city leaders. Anything less is NOT in the public interest.

  3. Posted August 16, 2007 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Transparency is great in most things but not always in econ dev mysteries. If it works, we’ll be very happy and if it doesn’t we won’t have anyone to tar or feather. I know that some econ dev stuff has worked here with a bit of secrecy so I’m willing to wait for paper-signing and cash on the table.

    No matter what is proposed, there will be a group of Greensboro-ites (well meaning and intentioned) who will object, start circulating petitions and beginning referendum moves — possibly well before we know what’s what. It’s our proud history and I respect citizen activism.

    In this particular very high-priced effort, I’m willing to see the facts and proposals before I diss it on a blog. Sure, it’s great to know everything first-hand (except making politics and sausage) but if someone wants to give me $300M, I’ll wait for the facts first.

    I honestly don’t see this as anything except a high-level business deal that could bring good things to GSO and I don’t view it as a nefarious cabal of evildoers trying to implant chips behind our ears.

    Unless this is city-owned or city-financed, I’m not sure we have the right to know (not the same thing as the desire to know, which we have plenty of).

    Pretty soon, we’ll have lots of facts and diagrams and drawings to peruse, complain about, referendum against, and organize for or against. Enjoy the rest of the summer’s heat and let’s have some of those mint juleps on the porch while we wait for information.

  4. Gatecity Keeper
    Posted August 16, 2007 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Nothing wrong with some new blood in the mix,in fact it is what is desperately needed in these parts.

  5. Posted August 16, 2007 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    I’m just tired of the gossip, speculating, and innuendo. If it negotiations had to happen in secret, fine. It’s this leaking of information in bits and pieces that I find annoying. They, whomever “they” are, are playing coy, and I’m not a fan of that tactic.

  6. Posted August 16, 2007 at 3:19 pm | Permalink


    You are the queen of playing coy.

  7. knightrider
    Posted August 16, 2007 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    I agree, it is annoying to hear these bits and pieces. I love the idea of having a $300 million dollar project considered for our downtown but the fact they are being so secretive, especially since the public already knows what land is being targeted sounds suspicious. That says to me there could be something controversal about this project. maybe its the size of its that controversal. Ive seen rumors online about this that say this thing is HUGE and could change the face of the Triad. Also if this is being proposed on the Bellemeade Village site, they might be expecting some serious opposition from Fisher Park residents. I do think its time these developers show themselves. Its very difficult for city council members to support something they are left in the dark on.

  8. Posted August 16, 2007 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    There’s only one hole in your theory: If this is such a great deal for Greensboro that it must be kept a secret then why all the hype and media attention? The players in this game are no doubt using the media and local bloggers to their gain and if this project really needed to be kept secret none of us would be having this discussion.

    Something is woefully wrong with this picture. I doubt any of us commenting here will see it before it’s too late but I still believe someone (or perhaps all of us) are looking at some sort of a scam.

  9. knightrider
    Posted August 16, 2007 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    I heard on a message board that there are people (that know about this) that dont want this project in Greensboro because of its size and its potential effect on the community. I think Jim Melvin and a few other are teed off because they are use to knowing everything thats going on in this community. They are left out of the loop on something they feel they should be a part of. Maybe that an ego thing. On the rumor is that its Orlando based Unicorp Developement, Inc. The project is suppose to have interactive gamessimulator rides, childrens rides, ect. I still think Disney is a part of this

  10. knightrider
    Posted August 16, 2007 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    The description of these attractions sounds like a Disney Quest. Im also reading on some message boards that the developemnt could even include a House of Blues which fits the description of the restaurant/entertainment venue that seats over a thousand and draws natioansl acts.

  11. Posted August 17, 2007 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Greensboro House of Blues? What’s next a Bass Pro Shops? Then maybe we will finally get our NASCAR track.So much cloak and dagger but, seriously folks the Mayor says he signed a confidentiality agreement with the developer.I question the legality of that statement ? Ask the mayor who it is .

  12. Ben Holder
    Posted August 18, 2007 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    It is exactly how things are done. Project Homestead is an example of how things are done. Willow Oaks is another…Spare me the police did an investigation speech..they did nothing….and most of you have just stuck your head in the sand and accepted the sorry answer..the way the city of Greensboro is run is shady..look at who gives the legal advice..

  13. knightrider
    Posted August 19, 2007 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    word has it that developers involved cant agree on whether they should go with the full scaled version or the small version. Thats why thing seem to be on hold right now. rumors are that more developers could get involved as well. It really puzzling but Its got to be a pretty big deal even for Charlotte’s standards. a number of international investors are involved here and this is suppose to be “a destination for the southeast region”. I read from a source on a message board that if they go with the largest version, it will make Greensboro a real destination area

  14. knightrider
    Posted August 19, 2007 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Ray Gibbs says this project could change the character of downown Greensboro and that the developers are looking at a two hour drive radius around Greensboro. So is it safe to say we could be looking at stuff like the Hard Rock Cafe’? This project has certainly been hyped up to that level of development. I figure if they can manage to build a 500 room luxury hotel downtown, they can do just about anything. but wait, the News & Record reported a second luxury hotel is being considered for downtown so it must be a pretty big tourist destination.

  15. Posted August 20, 2007 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Best comment on the subject yet, from the Rhino, 8/16/07:

    “The Rhino Times would like to take this opportunity to announce a $500 million project downtown. It will include five hotels, 12 fitness centers, 14 movie theaters, not one, not two, but three Imax theaters, a boxing ring, 452 luxury condominiums, an indoor golf course and restaurants too numerous to count. We have not yet acquired the property on which to build this fantastic, world changing facility, nor do we have all the financing in place, which means if you have $100 million or so lying around collecting dust, write us a check and you can be an investor. Once those little inconsequential details – like the financing, the location and construction – are taken care of, we are ready to go full speed ahead and hope to have the project completed before Greensboro gets any water from the Randleman Lake or the International Civil Rights Center and Museum opens.”

    Love it. ;)

  16. mick
    Posted August 21, 2007 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    What, still no pool? No respect. No respect at all I tell ya!

  17. knightrider
    Posted August 21, 2007 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    dont forget there is a secret plan to demolish the Greensboro Coliseum and build another one downtown LOL