Grace vs the opposite of grace

Carmany: Whatever the reason for the final outcome , I will accept the voters’ decision with grace and move on with satisfaction, knowing that I have made a difference in this city and this region.”

Amen to that.

Compare and contrast Carmany’s post-loss response to depeat defeat with that of her vanquisher. 

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16 Comments

  1. jc
    Posted November 9, 2007 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    The city is divided over the Wray issue. Gangs and crime are rampant in Greensboro. Taxes and fees are higher. We dont have much water. Those are the negatives. I would like to hear the positives that she is responsible for.

  2. Posted November 9, 2007 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Not a valid comparison, Hogg. Considering the fact that, as the article states, several ‘hundreds of votes were thrown out,’ it would appear that Wade had a legitimate case to contest the election, right?

  3. Posted November 9, 2007 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    At what cost to the taxpayers Sam?

  4. Brenda Bowers
    Posted November 9, 2007 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    But Wade had actually won the election with her opponent Parks, so giving up with “grace” was a bit to ask when NC Supreme Court ruled for her and it was the Democrats good ole boy group in Guilford who wanted her out and Parks in regardless of the voters choice. Carmany on the other hand just flat out got defeated by a better opponent. And don’t try pulling the “dirty tactics” ploy since all Wade did was use Carmany’s own words in her so-called “dirty attack ads”. BB

  5. Tony Wilkins
    Posted November 9, 2007 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    “If it were not for this fight, the election authorities would not have changed the provisional ballot law and forms.”
    “Hundreds of votes were thrown out”
    Does that part of the article mean anything to you Hogg?
    You and Allen Johnson should organize a Carmany support group for those of you who can’t comprehend that she lost the election.
    I’ll bring the cheese for the whine and a copy of the election results.

  6. Posted November 9, 2007 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    I have to ask myself, “Self.. what does ‘response to depeat’ mean?”

    On the rest of it…

    No question that Trudy was right in challenging the outcome when it appeared challengable and the right think to do.

    But I got a little tired of it all after awhile.

    Admit it… you did too.

  7. Fred Gregory
    Posted November 9, 2007 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Sam,

    Should we give Hogg a scratch for gracefully withdrawing his implied insult or do words mean things. What do you say.

  8. dhoggard
    Posted November 9, 2007 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    I say “give him a pass” but that’s just one man’s opinion.

    Tell me, Fred, honestly… that whole Wade vs the outcome episode was to your liking?

  9. Posted November 9, 2007 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Debate on the issues was not a problem.

    Silly, insulting cartoons were. I found them offensive. Burckley, on the other hand, called them “effective.” I guess he was right. And I guess some people don’t care what they have to do, as long as they win.

    Our mistake was not going for it by bringing out all sorts of things. Sandy has way too much class to have done that.

  10. Posted November 9, 2007 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    “Silly, insulting cartoons were. I found them offensive.”

    I find insulting and offensive when a sitting city councilperson states that she smirks at what she knew about the David Wray affair, in response to those who criticized her role in aiding and abetting the bad behavior of the city manager.

    It turns out she knew nothing of any such implied consequence.

    On the other hand, it’s very possible that the entire cabal is lying, and they have NOT released all the information.

    Hopefully we will find out the ENTIRE extent of what was said and done when the information request from Sam, Roch, and Joe is fulfilled.

    Perhaps then we will be able to analyze the new beginning that Trudy Wade represents for District 5 in an entirely new light.

  11. Posted November 10, 2007 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Bubba — since you think communication with constituents is so important, and I agree that it is, tell me what you think about how our representative can only articulate a position by using cartoons to get her point across.

  12. Tony Wilkins
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    jw said, “Our mistake was not going for it by bringing out all sorts of things. Sandy has way too much class to have done that.”
    OK, I’ll bite.
    What things?

  13. Posted November 10, 2007 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    “But Wade had actually won the election with her opponent Parks, so giving up with “graceâ€? was a bit to ask when NC Supreme Court ruled for her and it was the Democrats good ole boy group in Guilford who wanted her out and Parks in regardless of the voters choice.” — BB

    That is almost exaclty the opposite of reality. Please get your facts straight.

  14. Posted November 10, 2007 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Roch’s got you on that one, BB. The Supreme Court issued a stay to keep her in office while Wade fought to keep 100s of provisional votes from counting.

    Long after a *bipartisan* group culled the provisional votes for truly bogus ballots, Wade kept challenging and sitting and suing.

    My guess is you would have a very different version of reality if you had been one those legitimate provisional voters that Wade didn’t want counted.

    To me, the only good that came from the 18 month stall was that Parks wasn’t able to do Skip Alston’s personal bidding for a year and a half. (Also, FYI, Dr. Joe’s dreaded Simpkins PAC favored Parks in that race… go figure)

    Now look who’s got Alston’s back. Crazy world… ain’t it?

  15. Brenda Bowers
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Same thing guys. They ruled FOR Trudy. No matter how you want to twist and turn the legalese the ruling was for Trudy Wade. Dear Lord just have a great big Goodbye Sandy bash with David at the piano and sent her off to her new cushy job that I am sure her supporters and cohorts in crime will set her up with. BB

  16. Tony Wilkins
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    OK, jw’s not answering my questions but I’ll try one more.
    jw, why did you have your fellow Carmany campaign worker leave before the police arrived?
    Did Sandy know he was working for her at that precinct?
    While you were gone to get the judge (which is what you should have done to begin with and the entire confrontation would have been avoided) your fellow worker kept calling me a “troll� and saying he was going to “f*** me like a redneck.�
    I have no idea what either term means but I did not mistake that for a compliment.
    Why did he take down his video that is linked from the N&R?
    Was it because he mentioned “blowing up� something?
    Some federal agencies frown upon the mention of blowing up stuff.
    Sandy would probably frown about that too since he was just seconds before holding a Sandy Carmany sign.
    Since I’m not too computer savvy I could not figure out a way to save a copy of the video to my computer so I had to tape a copy using a video camera.
    It was a cool video except for the blowing up part.
    I really don’t know why Fec would dislike me so much. It seems extreme just because I was supporting Trudy. I don’t know him and hold no grudge against him.
    My preference is that we put it behind us and move on. I hope you’ll agree.

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