Swim center advocacy and a quandry

Yours truly figures heavily into today’s N&R article on the upcoming $20M Parks & Rec bond referendum.

With semi-intelligent sounding quotes like, “The reasoning is out there, the justification is out there, … It’s going to be a matter of getting it understood and explained correctly.”, I am setting myself up as one of the bond’s lead ‘splainers’ who will lead the charge to finally get Greensboro an indoor swimming center following two previous ballot failures in 2000 and 2006.

I’ll be meeting soon with folks who are forming an advocacy group who’s mission will be to get the issue passed in November.  Although I’m unsure of all of the individuals and groups (The Weaver Foundation’s Skip Moore is definitely, thankfully, involved) who will take responsibility for getting this thing done, I’m dead serious about my final quote in reporter Emily Stephenson’s very well presented article, “…a big portion of this (responsibility) needs to come from the swimming community itself.”  Wishin’ and hopin’ ain’t (sorry, JW) going to get it done.

On a related note:  After checking my P&R correspondence on things that transpired in the week leading up to the City Council’s decision to include a swim center in the $20M bond , I find that the only amounts bandied about for such a facility either $10.2M for a proposal similar to the $9M 2006 bond offering and, alternately, $15M for a more audacious ”regional” facility.  I’m still unclear how the amount arrived at became a down-the-middle $12M in the final minutes before the vote.  I’d have to go to the video to figure what transpired but haven’t the time to do so.

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  1. Vince
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    I’m just an intersted observer, but I am anxiously awaiting the facts and figures which Reece Coble promised to deliver on August 14th. When should we expect to see the data?

  2. mick
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    I am not advocating for any particular location. But a centralized site seems best for the citizens. You need to take up your concerns with location with Parks and Rec. Where do you think we should put it? As to parking, I believe there is some downtown. Though I suppose I could be incorrect. I dont understand what beer has to do with anything. Though 2 mill is a LOT of money it would be insufficient to build a quality, indoor facility suitable for the needs and wants of the community in general.

    The Park Bond is for 20 million with 12 earmarked for the new facility. The remainder of the money is set for Barber Park, renovations and repairs to existing pool facilities, new soccer fields, etc.


  3. Reece Coble
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Thank you so much, I forgot about that, and I will be happy to get those together, and these folks will not like the results at all. This will take a little while and I will guarantee you they will be correct, when they are posted….Again sir thank you, for the reminder…….

  4. mick
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Kinda of a big deal to forget. I like guarantees. I have no doubt Reece will find some good govt boondoggles. Thats setting the bar kind of low aint it!

    I am shocked!

  5. Reece Coble
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    No, it’s not a kinda big deal for me. I have been working on the figures, and will let you and the folks who support these BONDS know what its costing. As stated just hang on and watch, think of different reasons. But when it comes it will be true,accruate and to the point. And you can try to pick it apart, but it will be true. And the truth will set you free…….

  6. mick
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    You are the one who made such a BIG DEAL out of it. Reread your post #41. Im not trying to hide the fact that bonds cost money. No one is. Most folks kinda get that. That is why they dont always pass. Voting on bonds is a serious issue and not to be taken lightly. Bonds are an integral part of our govt functions See Hogg’s post #44!

    Better make your post and your info accurate. Hogg kinda “gets” this stuff you know.

    This is getting so monotonous that I can now just throw out post #s. Sheesh.

  7. Reece Coble
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    As the Itallian people would say “Kissa my Butt”just hang on and watch. Your whole world it’s “gettin ready to crumble” Bye Bye, no more comments til the big one comes………

  8. mick
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    You’ve been showing it enough it wont be hard to find.

    If “my world” crumbles it wont have anything to do with the bonds. It is the pools that are crumbling.

    We all anxiously await your cypherin’

  9. Reece Coble
    Posted August 21, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Again sir its not the pool’s crumbling. If it was and they,the city would have let this great swimming meet go on, and something would have happened, there would have been so much civil liability we the tax paypers would have paid for it for years to come. Mick,Mick, you guys need to get a real vision. You are starting a way to high. There has not been a word, and I do not meean a word about parkng around Lindley Park and poole. May I show you folks how to run a positive campaign without BONDS. If so just turn me loose, I will be one of the most positive person’s you have about building a poole. But then there will be absoutely no give-a-way programs. This aqua center will be self sustaining, and that is without city funds. God knows we need this, but again we do not need it with BONDS. However if you do it my way, it will take a few dollars out of pockett. Not out of the tax payers pockett. At the end we will be able to put the olympics to shame. Give me a chance, forget BONDS, it will cost a lot less in the future…..May God Bless…

  10. mick
    Posted August 21, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Uh huh….Consider yourself loosed there Big Un. We’ll take all the money you can come up with. Get with Hogg on that will ya? The 12 million is a minimum number we can spend your dough too. Great idea.

    BTW… you shouldnt ASS-ume anything on the condition of this fine city’s aquatic facilities.

    Plus the failure of a pool or the equipment neccesary to run it are not tied exclusively to dangerous (liability) issues. There is just plain old broke down, foundation issues, leaks, etc.

    We get by on parking as the neighbors graciously put up with it for 2 or 3 weekends a year. Practices are no prob. Plus, LPP is kinda OUTSIDE. Believe it or not Ripley, with the notable exception of The Community Swim Association, there are more swim meets in the Fall/Winter/Spring than summer.

    I do not know how to more plainly state the fact that our pools barely and I mean barely meet even the most liberal of standards for having swim meets. Grimsley cant hold a meet of any size. We host 2 meets a year in Hillsborough. HPSC hosts meets in Huntersville!

    Besides this isnt a pool bond… there are gardens, Barber Park, new soccer fields and maintenance moola for LPP and Grimsley (i think) in there too.

    I can tell you with a good deal of certainty that competitive swimming is drastically held back (at all levels) in Greensboro/Guilford County. With quality facilities allowing for even reasonable practice times, home meets, more space for kids at practice, etc swimming would explode. And diving could actually exist! Look at Charlotte and Raleigh areas they have 3-5 times numbers of kids we have…. why you may ask?


  11. Reece Coble
    Posted August 21, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    That’s what I am talking about. You do no co-phase all this crap together. I know what you guys are trying to do, is get it all done at one time. You will not, in this echonamy. Do you not work,pay taxes. These folks will not pass none of this. Have you not been to the grocery store,bought gas and paid for water,natural gas,power and the rest of the essentials. If not wake up and smell the roses. You big tax proposal is going to hell in a hand bag, simply because you guys do not know how to do it. Again it will not fly, I am so sorry, but it just will not. Folks have got educated toward BONDS. And you guys can kiss it good bye. THAT’S IT IN A NUT SHELL. Accept it and or loose it,that’s it.

  12. mick
    Posted August 22, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Though crude, your premise may well be proven correct. But again, coming from a guy who probably has never voted for a bond under any circumstance … well, you can take your “in this economy” and stuff it.

    And I cannot even fathom what “you do no co-phase” might possibly mean!

    Get it all done at one time! We havent built an indoor pool in 30 years! What the hell are you talkin about?

  13. Reece Coble
    Posted August 22, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Mick, You poor sole,you cannot just not get it correct can you. You have just told people the reason to vote “*No*” for a bond. Sir may God bless you and the folks who just not know how to talk to folks. “Again I gave you a way out and you just, would not take it. We cannot afford “BONDS” may God help all persons who think they can. We the “POOR” taxpayer the poor tax payers say no…….Who can the rich count on but themselves. So if is just what they want, let them build it……………………………

  14. Posted August 22, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    You are now considered by the author of this blog as a confirmed dumbass, Reece. “Sole”… again?

    Just give us those numbers before you lose all credibility.

  15. mick
    Posted August 22, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Im sorry that is all but completely incomprehensible to me. Long day I guess. Im not used to working a whole 5 days you know. Being that Im rich and all. “Driver, bring my car around. Im done for the day. And, do you know how many houses I own?”

  16. Reece Coble
    Posted August 22, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Hoggard and I do use the expression loosely: The owner of this blog, I do appreciate you calling me a dumbass, this lets all your readers know exactly what you are. If its not your way it’s the highway. Sir this is the free press and you cannot and will not shut folks up. Folks like you and Mick are going to get this bond voted down. I will have not have to say vote(NO) to ALL BONDS in the future, you have just DONE THAT. So go ahead and put a few more ten cent words in, that will make the folks who read this show how much of a complete ass you are !!!!!

  17. mick
    Posted August 22, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    #1: “Sir, this is the free press” (insert incorrect buzzer sound). Ummm, no its not and he can indeed shut both you and I up with a couple of clicks. Note …. he hasnt.

    #2: Hard to float the “your way or the highway” crap here as we are on post #68. Many of them against the Bonds. Mostly but not all yours.

    #3: Which “ten cent word” are you referring to? I think only two words had more than 2 syllables in the last post.

  18. Posted August 22, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Reece, I’m 52 (for what its worth), and this is most assuredly (.15) not the “free press”, my blog is an open forum until which time I decide that it will not be. Which I’ve never done… at least not yet.

    You have been given great latitude (0.10) during these last many weeks to say your same lines over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I’m just tired of the broken record as I said back in post #435.

    My ‘dumbass’ comment was solely because you used the word ‘sole’ in place of ‘soul’ for the second time, even after I pointed it out the first time.

    This indicated (.01) to me that you don’t listen, you just spout, ad nauseum (.020). As for me being a ‘complete ass’…. Guilty, at times. I freely admit it. Usually happens when my patience runs out.

    Now… please provide those numbers that will devastate us all and put bond supporters in their place. Email them to me please @ dhoggard@triad.rr.com and I’ll post them if they’re worthy. Otherwise, I’m closing the comments on this post because I am bored with it.

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