Yes!Weekly is foolish

Yes! Weekly‘s editor Brian Clarey focuses an editorial this week on the successful passage of the $20M Parks & Recreation bond.

Sporting the breathless headline, “Greensboro gets fooled“,  the text of the editorial shows that the title is indeed true; but not in the way intended. Greensboro is actually getting fooled into thinking that Clarey might have a clue on this subject.  In the process, the editorial does a disservice to the reputation of Greensboro’s  Parks & Recreation Commission, of which I am past-chair and still serve.

Clarey states: “…the P&R Commission saw fit to earmark $12 million of the $20 million for a natatorium.”

No we didn’t.  The bond had nothing to do with us.

Truth is, the City Council pretty much told us to “shove it” and decided all by themselves to put a P&R bond up for voters this year instead of 2010 as we had planned.  In addition, once we were apprised and surprised that the bond would be forthcoming, we wanted our carefully planned list of priorities to populate the  bond.  None of it included anything about a “natatorium”.

It was Councilman Mike Barber, not the P&R Commission (or Department), who championed the idea of including the, and this might be important, $10.2M, (not $12M) swim center as a part of the ballot.  A majority of Council agreed… and here we are.

Wake the hell up here, Brian.  All I was trying to do was make sure that the few priorities the P&R Commission had left on the bond’s wish list had a fighting chance of getting passed when I suggested that the swim community might want to consider a quiet campaign.

Editing note:  It’s 6:45p right now and I’ve got to go somewhere.  Check back later… I have much more to say about Brian’s B.S. charge of “trickery”.

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15 Comments

  1. Ted
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    David,
    The idea that voters did not know the pool was part of the P&R bond is nonsense. It was very widely publicized. The real issue is why wasn’t the pool allowed to be included in a P&R bond until 2008. It should have been a part of P&R in 2000. We would have had the benefits of a pool for 8 years at 1/2 the price we need to pay now.

  2. ben Holder
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Clarey’s credibility has always been for shit in many, many people’s eyes. He doesn’t cite sources, so while some of his leads may be the actual whisperings he gets from his invisible friends, others may be fully concocted rantings that align with his agenda or smear his enemies. Who the hell knows?

    He’s more of a ratfucker than a journalist, and I mean that in a Nixonian sense, not that he actually fucks rats. But if it turns out he does, we’ll call that a Troublemaker!
    Two more words to ponder: Drunk?

  3. ben Holder
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    One more word..damn

  4. Milo
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    Ben nails this little weasel to the wall with accurate, and on point, commentary. Pompous little ass of half-man.

    Milo

  5. dhoggard
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Well now…

    I don’t share the disdain for Clarey, and Ben, if I actually had a way to edit your post for vulgarity I would do so… but my only option is to delete it… which I don’t normally do. But may still.

    Clarey the editor didn’t do the research and simply got it wrong. The personal attacks on Clarey the man don’t impress me… they actually disgust me.

  6. dhoggard
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Agreed, Ted.

    If War Memorial Stadium had enjoyed the same coupling in 2006, we would already be on our way towards its renovation.

  7. ben Holder
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Hogg,

    What I wrote was exactly what Clarey wrote about me a while back over at Ed’s. I just changed a few things around. Here is what Clarey wrote about me:

    “Ben’s credibility has always been for shit in many, many people’s eyes. He doesn’t cite sources, so while some of his leads may be the actual whisperings he gets from cops, others may be fully concocted rantings that align with his agenda or smear his enemies. Who the hell knows?
    He’s more of a ratfucker than a journalist, and I mean that in a Nixonian sense, not that he actually fucks rats. But if it turns out he does, we’ll call that a Clarey Exclusive!
    Two more words to ponder: cop fetish.”

    Posted by: Brian Clarey | Mar 23, 2007 at 02:40 PM

    Yes Weekly gets stuff wrong ALL of the time. Jordan Green has totally screwed up a HUGE portion of his Wray Fray reporting. Who knows how they can call themselves anything other than an entertainment rag.

  8. dhoggard
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Then I guess that ‘turnabout’ is fair play then, Ben.

    Your post will remain.

  9. mick
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    To all,

    First I would like to thank the forward thinking citizens of GSO for approving the P&R bonds.

    Now, where do I start? The project was hardly hidden as everything including dollar figures was in almost every flyer, web site, press release, news paper article, blog, etc and was also spelled out on the voting machines as well. This was reported on and poo pooed by every newspaper in town!

    Who used the word Natatorium besides Yes! staff (whoever that is). I do not believe that particular verbage was anywhere on anything released by P&R or any other supportive group. Matter of fact, that term is avoided like the plague. Do your research dudes and dudettes. That was a conscious decision so as NOT TO BE CONFUSING to the voters. Your article makes it appear that term was used on the ballot. Bad writing there. Editorial or not.

    I went to a few meetings. Park and Rec made it very clear that the pool would have extensive public hours, thats splashing around and Marco polo to Yes! staff I guess. Will the pool be open to the public at all times during operating hours… honestly, no. Can yo grab a guitar and play at WMA? Can you shoot some hoops at the CVM. Call winners at the ACC tourneys? Uhhhh No! Try getting some practice time on many of the soccer, baseball, lacrosse facilities in town. Good luck there! Again, ignorance of the issues at hand show.

    The larger 50 meter x 25 yard pool will greatly increase available lanes and allow for some simultaneous use. See this compacts practice times, etc. The additional facility will definitely open up some (and probably less expensive) public time at Lindley and Grimsley as well. See how all this works. Some folks (a lot of folks actually) have really put some thought and research into this… unlike Yes! apparently. There will be closures from time to time. Partial for various practices (clubs, high school teams, Masters teams, swim meets by same, etc) and even some very limited full closure. City meet comes to mind along with a couple of larger regional meets. Charlotte MAC is only closed three weekends a year.

    HINT .. It’s Michael Phelps not “Phipps”. Showing your ignorance and perhaps bias toward the sport there, huh?

    As to chalking up another victory for the swim community…. name the last one? What? I didnt hear you? Did you say something? Again, no research. All bias. Opinions need to have at least some basis in fact. Sleep through journalism class that day did we Yes! staff?

    The new facility will be used to host local, regional and even some national meets. On a more regular basis, P&R will also rent space for practices, offer water fitness, water safety, hopefully diving (currently unavailable in our county), water polo, etc. This does cut into Marco Polo time but all of this activity will help offset some of the operating costs. Unlike most parks a pool is part business too. Folks will travel, stay, eat, buy gas, go shopping, etc in our City. These are good things and help justify the pool costs.

    There was no trickeration involved here. Did you know the regional swim facility is part of a long term plan developed by a citizens board for Park and Rec years ago? Research issues again?

    As with P&R, the swim community was brought in on the tail end of this stuff by some Council members. I remind you that the P&R bond the public voted on was debated on and passed 8-0 by The City Council. With limited time to prepare we had little choice but to sit back, answer questions when asked, address misinformation (like this very editorial) and hope for the best.
    Did we make a conscious effort to let this project ride as part of the P&R …. Yes. There were reasons, good reasons, to do so. None of them were underhanded, dishonest or aimed at “fooling” folks.

    As a whole people arent stupid. Apparently, Yes! staff does not believe that.

  10. Posted November 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    @Mick, you’re right. The words used to describe the pool have always been “aquatics center” during this bonds campaign. I was there.

  11. Duck
    Posted November 13, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Great and accurate post there mick. thank you for spelling it out, but some have it there way with facts; Johnson, Hoggard Ego (two different persons).

  12. dhoggard
    Posted November 14, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Johnson? Hoggard Ego?

    I am in complete agreement with Mick’s post above, Duck. Care to expand on how my “way with the facts” differs?

    And who is “Johnson”?

  13. Posted January 13, 2009 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE DAIVD AND THE COMMISON TO COME ON DOWN
    TO THE FARMERS MARKET AND SEE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE GHOST TOWN DUE TO LACK OF VENDORS AND COUSTOMERS IN THE WAKE OF THE RULES THAT WERE VOTED UPON A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK. MY SALES ARE DOWN SEVENTY PERCENT FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND THOSE FINE FOLKS THAT PUSH SO HARD FOR THESE RULES ARE NO WERE TO BE FOUND NOW. ITS TIME FOR LESS “SMARTS” AND USE COMMON SENSE IN THESE HARD TIMES THAT WE ALL ARE GOING THROUGH

  14. P
    Posted January 14, 2009 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    A key element of this plan (and bond) is that Parks and Recreation will manage the use of this facility for the “greater good” … i.e., the use of all citizens, not just the year-round swimming community. If those participating on year-round swim teams wish to use the facility, the teams will have to reserve use of the facility through a fair process afforded to all in the community. Undoubtedly, the year-round swimming community fought hard for this bond passage, but it should not be granted an unbalanced right to utilize.

  15. Tim Mullis
    Posted March 23, 2009 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Hey Ben, do you kiss your dog with that mouth?